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		<title>Comment on Questioning Victims by eliza</title>
		<link>http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/02/questioning_victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen, replace &quot;review&quot; with &quot;discussion of&quot;  or &quot;post about&quot; then, because that has nothing to do with what I&#039;m saying and doesn&#039;t address my point at all.

My issue is with this: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Every teenage girl I’ve known in my life who got pregnant always had a variation of the virgin rape story to share.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; Which is a shitty thing to say, and needed to be called out. My point is not about the book, or Claudette, but about how  women who talk about their rapes are doubted, shamed and blamed from all sides, even unexpected places like blogs about YA books written by women who making sweeping generalizations about the motives of teens who become pregnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleen, replace &#8220;review&#8221; with &#8220;discussion of&#8221;  or &#8220;post about&#8221; then, because that has nothing to do with what I&#8217;m saying and doesn&#8217;t address my point at all.</p>
<p>My issue is with this: &#8220;<i>Every teenage girl I’ve known in my life who got pregnant always had a variation of the virgin rape story to share.</i>&#8221; Which is a shitty thing to say, and needed to be called out. My point is not about the book, or Claudette, but about how  women who talk about their rapes are doubted, shamed and blamed from all sides, even unexpected places like blogs about YA books written by women who making sweeping generalizations about the motives of teens who become pregnant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Questioning Victims by Colleen</title>
		<link>http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/02/questioning_victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay - wait!!!!! I wasn&#039;t reviewing Claudette in this post. IT WAS 100% NOT A BOOK REVIEW! In fact at the beginning of the post i mention that I was a judge for the Cybils, the book was one of the final five and this was whole post was about the questions I had about the book as a reader.

So, PLEASE - do not think for a moment that this was a formal book review in any way, shape or form. I thought I made it clear in how I was so informally discussing the subject matter. As a judge for a book I had to look at how the book was written and the pregnancy issue was just one more event in the book where only Claudette&#039;s voice was present. My entire post was about the lack of corroborating voices - the lack of friends and family members who shared how Claudette was feeling throughout the entire period after she was forcibly removed from the bus. Further, Claudette brought up the pregnancy in her interviews with the author as a reason why she felt Civil Rights leaders did not support her. As a reader (and a judge in this case) I would have appreciated the voices of someone else from that period who could agree with what Claudette was saying. (In other words, if she was going to bring this up as something that was not her fault and used against her in such a historic matter, then I needed someone else to comment on what was going on back then.)

Claudette in fact never states explicitly that she was raped. She says they were friends, he was older - it&#039;s all very subtle. My point was that Hoose seemed to take many of her statements on face value (about the boyfriend and a lot of other unrelated events) and didn&#039;t seek out other witnesses who might be able to add more.

I think you misread me  here, big time. My read on the entire book was that Claudette perceives herself as a victim in many ways who was never appreciated by the Civil Rights leaders. That was how either she sees herself or Hoose present her (or both). To carry that off, I think you need more than the words of Claudette herself. (And the pregnancy is actually only the smallest part of that sequence of events.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8211; wait!!!!! I wasn&#8217;t reviewing Claudette in this post. IT WAS 100% NOT A BOOK REVIEW! In fact at the beginning of the post i mention that I was a judge for the Cybils, the book was one of the final five and this was whole post was about the questions I had about the book as a reader.</p>
<p>So, PLEASE &#8211; do not think for a moment that this was a formal book review in any way, shape or form. I thought I made it clear in how I was so informally discussing the subject matter. As a judge for a book I had to look at how the book was written and the pregnancy issue was just one more event in the book where only Claudette&#8217;s voice was present. My entire post was about the lack of corroborating voices &#8211; the lack of friends and family members who shared how Claudette was feeling throughout the entire period after she was forcibly removed from the bus. Further, Claudette brought up the pregnancy in her interviews with the author as a reason why she felt Civil Rights leaders did not support her. As a reader (and a judge in this case) I would have appreciated the voices of someone else from that period who could agree with what Claudette was saying. (In other words, if she was going to bring this up as something that was not her fault and used against her in such a historic matter, then I needed someone else to comment on what was going on back then.)</p>
<p>Claudette in fact never states explicitly that she was raped. She says they were friends, he was older &#8211; it&#8217;s all very subtle. My point was that Hoose seemed to take many of her statements on face value (about the boyfriend and a lot of other unrelated events) and didn&#8217;t seek out other witnesses who might be able to add more.</p>
<p>I think you misread me  here, big time. My read on the entire book was that Claudette perceives herself as a victim in many ways who was never appreciated by the Civil Rights leaders. That was how either she sees herself or Hoose present her (or both). To carry that off, I think you need more than the words of Claudette herself. (And the pregnancy is actually only the smallest part of that sequence of events.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient history by eliza</title>
		<link>http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/01/ancient-history/comment-page-1/#comment-1018</link>
		<dc:creator>eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the city I&#039;m closest to is Rutland, but I&#039;m in a tiny tiny town. It&#039;s not that long of a drive to any point of interest, so you just let me know when you&#039;re back around and we&#039;ll make it happen! 

PS - Please bring me a baby elephant! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the city I&#8217;m closest to is Rutland, but I&#8217;m in a tiny tiny town. It&#8217;s not that long of a drive to any point of interest, so you just let me know when you&#8217;re back around and we&#8217;ll make it happen! </p>
<p>PS &#8211; Please bring me a baby elephant! :D</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient history by jon tennent</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon tennent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, New England? What city? I still have quite a few friends up there... we&#039;ll have to meet up next time I&#039;m visiting. Best of luck on the move, Liz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, New England? What city? I still have quite a few friends up there&#8230; we&#8217;ll have to meet up next time I&#8217;m visiting. Best of luck on the move, Liz.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Semantics by Podblack</title>
		<link>http://www.surpluscats.net/2009/08/semantics/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>Podblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. So, are you interested in reflecting further on the issue that you blogged before? I say this after appearing on the recent Skeptically Speaking show. I don&#039;t know if you heard the episode on http://skepticallyspeaking.com/episodes/19-gender-the-skeptical-community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. So, are you interested in reflecting further on the issue that you blogged before? I say this after appearing on the recent Skeptically Speaking show. I don&#8217;t know if you heard the episode on <a href="http://skepticallyspeaking.com/episodes/19-gender-the-skeptical-community" rel="nofollow">http://skepticallyspeaking.com/episodes/19-gender-the-skeptical-community</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deceitful Donuts by cee cider</title>
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		<dc:creator>cee cider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Post-Gazette had a strong article on this last Sunday.  See

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09291/1006134-28.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Post-Gazette had a strong article on this last Sunday.  See</p>
<p><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09291/1006134-28.stm" rel="nofollow">http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09291/1006134-28.stm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Deceitful Donuts by eliza</title>
		<link>http://www.surpluscats.net/2009/10/deceitful-donuts/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links, Uncle Crappy. 

Google has also cached the original blogger site, where you can be treated to even more of this guy&#039;s general grossness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links, Uncle Crappy. </p>
<p>Google has also cached the original blogger site, where you can be treated to even more of this guy&#8217;s general grossness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deceitful Donuts by Uncle Crappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Crappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cazzy:

As of Friday, his posts were still available for your reading pleasure on his Facebook page.

The original post is here:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=129349745290

His rebuttal is here:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=281604545290</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cazzy:</p>
<p>As of Friday, his posts were still available for your reading pleasure on his Facebook page.</p>
<p>The original post is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=129349745290" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=129349745290</a></p>
<p>His rebuttal is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=281604545290" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=281604545290</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Deceitful Donuts by Cazzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just hearing about this.... I would like to see the original post that he is defending, but his blog is gone. Probably damage control, but looks to me like he just &quot;couched&quot; a little bit of his &quot;person-hood.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just hearing about this&#8230;. I would like to see the original post that he is defending, but his blog is gone. Probably damage control, but looks to me like he just &#8220;couched&#8221; a little bit of his &#8220;person-hood.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deceitful Donuts by red pen mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>red pen mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s disingenuous -- at best -- to say that &quot;peace, love, and little donuts&quot; is not a misleading name. Maybe the donuts were little, but the owner chose a catchphrase, and arguably a location, designed to capture the attention of a liberal, &quot;hippy&quot; clientele. It seems to me a signal of likemindedness, which clearly could not be further from the truth.

&quot;I have been kind and respectful of everyone who has come into my shop.&quot; Well, of course he has been! He&#039;s not a dumb businessman. But it&#039;s one thing to be good at customer service, and another thing to have something in the public sphere (the hateful post about President Obama&#039;s inauguration and  his &quot;followers&quot;) that makes former and potential clients wonder what he is saying or would say behind their backs.

It&#039;s his right to say (and write about) and believe whatever he wants. It is my right to not patronize his store -- for whatever reason. It is, unfortunately for him, also my right to share my opinion with people I know -- people who may be interested to learn that a business is misrepresenting itself. And they are free, also, to shop wherever they feel comfortable for whatever reason. 

He&#039;s been burned, and he&#039;s probably learned something about social media. I do wonder if he&#039;ll change the name to something else though.

ciao,
rpm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s disingenuous &#8212; at best &#8212; to say that &#8220;peace, love, and little donuts&#8221; is not a misleading name. Maybe the donuts were little, but the owner chose a catchphrase, and arguably a location, designed to capture the attention of a liberal, &#8220;hippy&#8221; clientele. It seems to me a signal of likemindedness, which clearly could not be further from the truth.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have been kind and respectful of everyone who has come into my shop.&#8221; Well, of course he has been! He&#8217;s not a dumb businessman. But it&#8217;s one thing to be good at customer service, and another thing to have something in the public sphere (the hateful post about President Obama&#8217;s inauguration and  his &#8220;followers&#8221;) that makes former and potential clients wonder what he is saying or would say behind their backs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s his right to say (and write about) and believe whatever he wants. It is my right to not patronize his store &#8212; for whatever reason. It is, unfortunately for him, also my right to share my opinion with people I know &#8212; people who may be interested to learn that a business is misrepresenting itself. And they are free, also, to shop wherever they feel comfortable for whatever reason. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s been burned, and he&#8217;s probably learned something about social media. I do wonder if he&#8217;ll change the name to something else though.</p>
<p>ciao,<br />
rpm</p>
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