Comments on: Questioning Victims http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/02/questioning_victims/ occasional updates, always elizabeth Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:05:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: eliza http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/02/questioning_victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 eliza Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:47:43 +0000 http://www.surpluscats.net/?p=979#comment-1022 Colleen, replace "review" with "discussion of" or "post about" then, because that has nothing to do with what I'm saying and doesn't address my point at all. My issue is with this: "<i>Every teenage girl I’ve known in my life who got pregnant always had a variation of the virgin rape story to share.</i>" Which is a shitty thing to say, and needed to be called out. My point is not about the book, or Claudette, but about how women who talk about their rapes are doubted, shamed and blamed from all sides, even unexpected places like blogs about YA books written by women who making sweeping generalizations about the motives of teens who become pregnant. Colleen, replace “review” with “discussion of” or “post about” then, because that has nothing to do with what I’m saying and doesn’t address my point at all.

My issue is with this: “Every teenage girl I’ve known in my life who got pregnant always had a variation of the virgin rape story to share.” Which is a shitty thing to say, and needed to be called out. My point is not about the book, or Claudette, but about how women who talk about their rapes are doubted, shamed and blamed from all sides, even unexpected places like blogs about YA books written by women who making sweeping generalizations about the motives of teens who become pregnant.

]]> By: Colleen http://www.surpluscats.net/2010/02/questioning_victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1021 Colleen Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:54 +0000 http://www.surpluscats.net/?p=979#comment-1021 Okay - wait!!!!! I wasn't reviewing Claudette in this post. IT WAS 100% NOT A BOOK REVIEW! In fact at the beginning of the post i mention that I was a judge for the Cybils, the book was one of the final five and this was whole post was about the questions I had about the book as a reader. So, PLEASE - do not think for a moment that this was a formal book review in any way, shape or form. I thought I made it clear in how I was so informally discussing the subject matter. As a judge for a book I had to look at how the book was written and the pregnancy issue was just one more event in the book where only Claudette's voice was present. My entire post was about the lack of corroborating voices - the lack of friends and family members who shared how Claudette was feeling throughout the entire period after she was forcibly removed from the bus. Further, Claudette brought up the pregnancy in her interviews with the author as a reason why she felt Civil Rights leaders did not support her. As a reader (and a judge in this case) I would have appreciated the voices of someone else from that period who could agree with what Claudette was saying. (In other words, if she was going to bring this up as something that was not her fault and used against her in such a historic matter, then I needed someone else to comment on what was going on back then.) Claudette in fact never states explicitly that she was raped. She says they were friends, he was older - it's all very subtle. My point was that Hoose seemed to take many of her statements on face value (about the boyfriend and a lot of other unrelated events) and didn't seek out other witnesses who might be able to add more. I think you misread me here, big time. My read on the entire book was that Claudette perceives herself as a victim in many ways who was never appreciated by the Civil Rights leaders. That was how either she sees herself or Hoose present her (or both). To carry that off, I think you need more than the words of Claudette herself. (And the pregnancy is actually only the smallest part of that sequence of events.) Okay – wait!!!!! I wasn’t reviewing Claudette in this post. IT WAS 100% NOT A BOOK REVIEW! In fact at the beginning of the post i mention that I was a judge for the Cybils, the book was one of the final five and this was whole post was about the questions I had about the book as a reader.

So, PLEASE – do not think for a moment that this was a formal book review in any way, shape or form. I thought I made it clear in how I was so informally discussing the subject matter. As a judge for a book I had to look at how the book was written and the pregnancy issue was just one more event in the book where only Claudette’s voice was present. My entire post was about the lack of corroborating voices – the lack of friends and family members who shared how Claudette was feeling throughout the entire period after she was forcibly removed from the bus. Further, Claudette brought up the pregnancy in her interviews with the author as a reason why she felt Civil Rights leaders did not support her. As a reader (and a judge in this case) I would have appreciated the voices of someone else from that period who could agree with what Claudette was saying. (In other words, if she was going to bring this up as something that was not her fault and used against her in such a historic matter, then I needed someone else to comment on what was going on back then.)

Claudette in fact never states explicitly that she was raped. She says they were friends, he was older – it’s all very subtle. My point was that Hoose seemed to take many of her statements on face value (about the boyfriend and a lot of other unrelated events) and didn’t seek out other witnesses who might be able to add more.

I think you misread me here, big time. My read on the entire book was that Claudette perceives herself as a victim in many ways who was never appreciated by the Civil Rights leaders. That was how either she sees herself or Hoose present her (or both). To carry that off, I think you need more than the words of Claudette herself. (And the pregnancy is actually only the smallest part of that sequence of events.)

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